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The governor is the chief executive in that state over their law enforcement. My reason for pointing that out is not to assume any credibility I don’t have on the topic.PIRRO: Right.JONES: So, Monday morning quarterbacking or voicing the fact that expectations were not met. And that’s two different things.PIRRO: Well, chain of command is chain of command.JONES: Fair. Do you always listen to chain of command in a situation where your gut is telling you that there is an active shooter? I’m hearing an active shooter in there.JOHNNY JOEY JONES, FOX NEWS CO-HOST: Number one, I’m a military guy, not a police guy. Being thrown to the ground according to others, listening to shots periodically through this. You’ve got parents outside screaming, yelling, being handcuffed according to some. And that instead of dealing with this guy, Ramos, as an active shooter, they dealt with him as a barricaded shooter.Now, you’ve got adherence to the chain of command.
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I think his name was McGraw, made a mistake. Let the facts pile up.PIRRO: You know, Joey, the governor was talking about and the state head of the Department of Public Safety came out and said that the school director. Let them talk about what the police did or didn’t do and try to - try to keep your - again, let the story grow.
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And I didn’t go to school for any of this but somehow, I can have an opinion. However, I feel like as the media we have to be very careful because we have Monday morning quarterback five days a week.And we assume - and it’s amazing to me how we all become experts on every - you know, it’s amazing. That’s why it’s important.And it isn’t Monday morning quarterbacking for investigators, or law enforcement, or family, survivors to question these variables. Because there is going to be a next time and the information you glean from this time will help you in the next time. And that is the place for the investigators to let them investigate fully to tell the story, which is necessary. And you can say well, maybe the police were incompetent or they were afraid or they were adhering to a doctrine that prevented improvising.But that is not my place. We have avoided these problems for 50 years. It’s a decline in education, it’s a breakdown of the family.But these are a lot of things that we don’t want to talk about because we’ve avoided these problems for so long. Why are these things happening more and more in this kind of society? Is it something that has to do with not simply the availability of guns because they have been available? Social media. Whether it is mental illness, schools, family, red flags.The fact that he said that this is a new thing in a decade and a half, that kind of points you in the direction of where the answers are. We only get to the scene of the story after it happens and we should address every variable, every step that gets you to that crime. As I think everyone at this table is tonight with the fact that we have been misled as to what the facts were.GREG GUTFELD, FOX NEWS CO-HOST: Well, I think the important thing he said was, and it’s something that I said yesterday. And it’s only in the last decade or so that we been hearing about school shootings.So, I guess that, Greg, I’ll start with you.
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And in response to a question about 18- year-olds being allowed to get a long gun or a rifle, the Texas - the governor was very clear that in Texas for the last century and a half, 18- year-olds have been able to get long guns. He also talked about what strategies, what best practices have to be employed, what mistakes, if any, were made here.He was very strong in his opinion that they should have eliminated the killer and rescue the children. And we heard him talk about his investigation by the Texas Rangers and the FBI.As soon as that information is gotten, they will give the information to the families about the result of that investigation. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.JEANINE PIRRO, FOX NEWS HOST: You’ve just been listening to a press conference by Governor Greg Abbott of Texas who talked about being livid at the fact that he says he was misled by the officers and about the officers’ response to the Uvalde shooting. This is a rush transcript of “The Five” on May 27, 2022. NEWYou can now listen to Fox News articles!